Oral History Program Sister Mary Bernard Lieser Interviewed by Marci Farr 17 November 2010 Oral History Program Weber State University Stewart Library Ogden, Utah Sister Mary Bernard Lieser Interviewed by Marci Farr 17 November 2010 Copyright © 2010 by Weber State University, Stewart Library Mission Statement The Oral History Program of the Stewart Library was created to preserve the institutional history of Weber State University and the Davis, Ogden and Weber County communities. By conducting carefully researched, recorded, and transcribed interviews, the Oral History Program creates archival oral histories intended for the widest possible use. Interviews are conducted with the goal of eliciting from each participant a full and accurate account of events. The interviews are transcribed, edited for accuracy and clarity, and reviewed by the interviewees (as available), who are encouraged to augment or correct their spoken words. The reviewed and corrected transcripts are indexed, printed, and bound with photographs and illustrative materials as available. Archival copies are placed in Special Collections. The Stewart Library also houses the original recording so researchers can gain a sense of the interviewee's voice and intonations. Project Description The St. Benedict’s School of Nursing was founded in 1947 by the Sisters of Mount Benedict. The school operated from April 1947 to 1968. Over the forty-one year period, the school had 605 students and 357 graduates. In 1966, the program became the basis for Weber State College’s Practical Nursing Program. This oral history project was created to capture the memories of the graduates and to add to the history of nursing education in Ogden. The interviews focus on their training, religion, and experiences working with doctors, nurses, nuns, and patients at St. Benedict’s Hospital. 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No part of the manuscript may be published without the written permission of the University Librarian. Requests for permission to publish should be addressed to the Administration Office, Stewart Library, Weber State University, Ogden, Utah, 84408. The request should include identification of the specific item and identification of the user. It is recommended that this oral history be cited as follows: Sister Mary Bernard Lieser, an oral history by Marci Farr, 17 November 2010, WSU Stewart Library Oral History Program, Special Collections, Stewart Library, Weber State University, Ogden, UT. iii Sister Mary Bernard Lieser with Gail Crisenhall Taylor 1964 Sister Mary Bernard Lieser November 17, 2010 1 Abstract: This is an oral history interview with Sister Mary Bernard Lieser, conducted by Marci Farr and Sarah Langsdon, on November 17, 2010. In this interview, Sister Lieser discusses her recollections and experiences with the St. Benedict’s School of Nursing. MF: This is Marci Farr. We are interviewing Sister Bernard Lieser. She graduated from St. Benedict’s School of Nursing in 1965. It is November 17, 2010. We are interviewing her in St. Gertrude’s Monastery in Cottonwood, Idaho. Tell us a little bit about your family, where you grew up, where you were born… ML: I was born in a Zion Township in a house that stood for one hundred and eleven years. My dad was born in the same house. He was born in 1876. My grandparents had built the house before he was born so he was born in there. There were ten children and all of us were born in there. No one ever died in that house. One of my dad’s brothers, died at four years old in 1884 but they didn’t live in that house yet so he didn’t die in that house. That is the only death that has been at that place and it is still in my nephew’s family. It is still in the Lieser family. I went to a country school, District 63, it was—I have a picture there too of all the eighth grades, one room and teacher, no running water inside, we had to go outside to the pump. I have a picture of the big snow banks of 1940. The teacher lived out there in the country. He had his own horses. That was before the cars so he had a buggy and a horse. MF: His transportation. 2 ML: We went to the outside outhouse. We had no running water. We just had in school a fountain and we would fill that with the bucket and dipper which we used until we got this fountain. In the wintertime it was so cold our lunch & water would freeze in our buckets. We had a one room school. It was so cold that our fronts would burn and our back would freeze. It was quite something. For two years after grade school I worked on the farm and then we moved and I went to Panesville High School. I have a book too where I graduated from Panesville High School. First, I went to the convent 1947 and I became a Sister in 1949 and in 1952 I went to work and started in the LPN program. That was a program that Idaho and Washington and Alaska and all these states went together to help train nurses for this area because we were so short of nurses. I was asked to start nursing. I didn’t decide for myself but my superiors asked me to go into nursing so I decided I can do that. Our old hospital had two floors for patients and the third floor was the surgery. We kept our oxygen tanks up on third floor. I was two weeks into the program and I was put on night duty, twelfth hour shifts from seven in the evening to seven in the morning with another Sister (Sr “B”). She got yellow jaundice so I was two weeks into the program and I was the only nurse on the floor many times because she was so sick. MF: That was a nice introduction into nursing. ML: Yes. I was in the student program for twenty-two months because I came in the middle of the course. I was sixteen months in that program when the new class started. I really enjoyed it but oh this Sister supervisor (Sr “B”) was so strict. She was very much like Sister “C” from Ogden. She didn’t want me to know a lot of 3 things. For example in those days (1953) it was very secretive if a girl had a baby outside of wedlock. They always went to Spokane, 160 miles away, to have their baby but here—this wasn’t her first baby—so she went into labor and they didn’t have time to go to Spokane. Sister “B” said to me, “If a light would go on in a patient’s room where you think there is no one would you go answer it?” I said, “I would be too scared to. No I wouldn’t.” Well “lo and behold” that morning at six o’clock the light went on in that room. I had to call the doctor, he came and she had her baby. That was in old Our Lady of Consolation Hospital in Cottonwood Idaho I worked there for many years. Oh it was really quite an interesting set up. The emergency entrance was on one end of the hospital on first floor and where we kept our gurney was on the fourth floor. We had an elevator that was just a freight elevator that went slower than molasses in January. It was really some experience to handle an emergency. The oxygen tanks—were on fourth floor (we had no piped in oxygen at all), stopped on second floor to get O2 masks, then we went down to first floor to the emergency entrance and picked up the patient and back to third floor, emergency room. Everything could be heard all over the hospital, it had an open stairway and it was high ceilings sort of like this. It was quite an experience. We became LPN students and I did have a picture of when I became an LPN. I worked nights so much. I worked at least two thousand weekends in my life because we worked seven days a week. We had eight days off a year for a retreat the 1st years of my nursing career. MF: Oh that is a lot of time. 4 ML: A lot of time. I put in many, many hours especially on weekends. The first ten years I was always on twelve hour shifts. After I was an LPN I went down to Jerome, Idaho and worked as an LPN but I started IV’s & did a lot of R.N. nursing. In those days we just had these metal needles that had to be restarted often and sterilized and used over & over again. At St. Mary’s Hospital, one Christmas Eve our census went down to twenty-four patients and two nurses on night duty. Can you imagine? I just can’t even imagine how we possibly could get our work done with that many patients. We were the only nurses on duty but we called someone to help when we had a delivery or a bad new patient. We had as many as twelve babies in the nursery at one time. MF: Then you have to take care of babies. ML: We had to take care of babies and patients and emergency. They said, “Well what was your specialty?” I said, “I really didn’t have a specialty.” The oncologist came after I was in nursing for almost 30 years already and he just loved to work with me. Just the other day we talked about rare cancer with the mother of this girl and the big thing was we had a patient that died because the blood had thickened. The patient lived with-in 3 mile from the hospital, she was a nine year old girl. She was playing outside and she came in and she said, “My feet hurt so bad, I can’t walk anymore.” And she fell over and she was dead. They brought her to St. Mary’s Hospital at Cottonwood, Idaho and they tried to get blood and they couldn’t get any blood. It had all thickened. They didn’t know what it was those days. My nephew, now age 68 years, has the same thing in 2011. I just have to read to you because to me it is just interesting for any nurse. 5 They sent him to the Hennepin County Hospital in Minneapolis and there were six doctors around the clock with him. The Dr. never left them alone because his blood was so thick too. The six doctors couldn’t figure out what he had. They took blood and sent it all over the world because it is so rare to diagnose. They had never seen anything like this before. Some of them were as many as thirty years a doctor already. So then they decided that they would call an oncologist and a neurologist and all the different specialties. The oncologist said, “It is cancer of the blood and it is very rare. There were only aware of three cases in the world that they knew of.” But when this girl had it years ago. We didn’t investigate. In those days there was no autopsy or you had to pay a horrible amount of money to get it. “This morning when I saw my local doctor he had a few interesting items. One in three million have “Waldenstroms Macroglobulinemia” and of those twenty percent have skin issues.” That is why he had his legs so full of sores. “And three percent have peripheral neuropathy. I have all of these three. My nephew said, “You can see while I was at Hennepin Medical Center in Minneapolis that it was an interesting case for the doctors.” The doctors also said in these thirty years of practice they had not seen a similar situation.” I think it is of interest because it is such a rare disease. MF: That is interesting. ML: He is now getting chemo and he is on Ritoxin and Cytoxin for anyone that is interested in nursing. I got all of that from my nephew. To get back to when as an LPN and I was at St. Benedict’s Hospital in Jerome, Idaho. I started IV’s and did all the things that RN’s should do. Then they sent me to St. Benedicts in 6 Ogden for RN training. They sent me to Red Lake Falls Hospital, Minnesota. Again, I was on twelve hour night duty shifts. I wasn’t allowed to have a coffee break. There was a lesbian nurse there and she just wanted sex with me and I just had to ward her off. Then I went to Minneapolis for advice. They had a daughter house in Minneapolis from Crookston Minnesota Hospital. So I went there and the priest there suggested that I ask if St. Gertrude’s didn’t want me anymore in St. Gertrude’s Hospital or I’d leave. I never came back to work in a hospital of St. Gertrude’s after that. I was always alone. I was alone many, many years 30 years. That was very hard. That was a very hard time for me. During those 30 years I was at Ogden for my RN training and to Wyandotto, Michigan for my anesthesia training. MF: That would be very hard. ML: I wrote and I said if they didn’t want me anymore then I would go on to a month off and see which community I should enter. See we are all individual communities. They did let me come back. After my anesthesia training I worked as a nurse anesthetist in Moscow Hospital and they did abortions. Then I went to St. Luke’s Hospital in Spokane, Washington and they did abortions. I went to Colfax Hospital in Washington and they did abortions. Then I said, “I am going to go back to bedside nursing.” Then I became an oncology nurse and went to Lewiston at St. Jos’s Medical Center, in Idaho, to be an oncology nurse. In the meantime when I started at Ogden I really liked it. I had a private bedroom and it was so interesting. See you already have all this about the shooting but that was when I was a freshman. 7 MF: You can go ahead and tell us about it. ML: I would have it here on my paper. “A very sad thing happened while in training. A medical records student who was flunking every class was asked to leave Ogden-St. Benedicts and go back to Colorado where her home was. Instead of going back to Colorado she borrowed money and went to buy a gun. From supper to eight PM we would play games in our playground.” I showed you this morning how that playground was. She shot the first shot a little after seven P.M. or a little earlier then seven. Kathy, was asked to see the condition of the wounded student. Kathy had the head of the wounded student in her lap but she was in and out of consciousness because the bullet hit her spleen. All at once— the mother and father, of the girl, that was shot—I can’t remember her name but I can see her so well—they heard it on TV that they were shooting at St. Benedicts, Ogden. They called Sister “E” Hospital administrator to tell her, “Well what is going on there? They are shooting our daughter!” Sister “E” didn’t even know anything about the shooting at that time. Anyhow, it was our playground and the interns’ families lived close to us and saw that they were shooting people and they got scared too and went to hide in the house. She was so in love with the one that got shot she didn’t want to leave St. Benedict’s. Then she came to the wounded girl and Kathy and she held her gun on her own head and she said to Kathy, “Why don’t you shoot me?” “Oh,” Kathy said, “You know that the fifth commandment says ‘Thou shalt not kill.’ I couldn’t do that. No way.” She at one point had the gun against the girl whom she had already shot. It took over two hours and finally the policemen came. She had kept them at bay too for all this 8 time. Poor Sister “E” and all the Sisters couldn’t believe what was going on? They set up the surgery—everything was ready for the minute she would permit her to go to surgery. The police asked if she wouldn’t let them take the wounded friend to surgery. Then she said, “Only if I can go to surgery with her to see what happened.” Once the policemen took a hold of her, her hands were handcuffed. She got as far as the surgery suit. It was pretty much sterile and not everybody could go in. Then she was taken away and put into prison for the night & then sent to Colorado. She got out of prison because it was a mental something. (She was mentally ill and not stable.) One of our Sisters, Sr “R” was a close friend of her the shooting girl when Sister R also worked in Colorado. Anyhow, she was there and she just couldn’t believe it. She said, “She is such a nice girl.” Sr “R” was called on the witness stand & said that she was a good girl because Sister “R” said this, that is why she didn’t have to stay in prison very long. I have often wondered what she is doing now, some 45 years later if she is still alive or not soon after. That Sister “R” left the sisterhood and then she got married and lived close to Washington/Canadian border. Years later she was told she had brain cancer and if Sister R would get radiation and/or chemo she could last up to nine weeks but that would be the longest. She decided not to because her husband had died but she had a lot of money. She lived another nine years. She was completely blind and she couldn’t hear anymore before she died. She lived another nine years. 9 To get back to this wounded student—when they got the student to the surgery they opened up the abdomen. Just after they opened the abdomen, the blood clot moved from the ruptured spleen and they gave her twenty-seven pints of blood. In those days they gave whole blood. All they did was crossmatch. The people that gave the blood were still walking down the streets that saved her life. She survived. MF: That is a lot of blood. ML: That is a lot of blood, yes. The intern students watched the TV coverage of it and later Sister E, the hospital administrator, saw it on TV also. “My greatest challenge while in RN training in Ogden was to learn to not do as I did but to do it the new instructor’s way.” I started IV’s and I did all these things but we never wore gloves. In 1950’s at our hospital in Cottonwood, Idaho, the doctors wore gloves for deliveries. The new gloves that we had at our Lady of Consolation Hospitals were only worn in surgery. Once they had a hole we could mend them in those days and were used on O.B. unit. We had a sterilizer to resterilize them. Oh, it was so primitive. It was a very, very hard to do things. I still helped in surgery after 12 hr shift on nights when the nurse anesthetist— that was when I was an LPN—anesthetist poured the anesthesia into an open bottle. We now have that open bottle hanging in our museum. Years later I was in psychiatric training at…what was the name of the hospital..the Mckay? MF: The Dee Hospital? The McKay Dee Hospital. ML: And there was the Holy Cross Hospital in Salt Lake? 10 MF: Yes. ML: I think we had our training at the Holy Cross Hospital but it was through the University of Utah. Just how it all went I don’t remember. The biggest challenge was that I was so used to treating the patient a certain way and there was a different way of treating them now. I had a hard time trying to switch from what I learned or how I did it. I was in the nurses LPN training two weeks and then I was in charge. I had to learn how to do it. I remember one time the doctor came and there was a patient dying but didn’t die. The Dr asked the other patient in the room, “When did you call her.” “Oh,” he said, “I was asleep, I didn’t call her.” But there was always this sixth sense as if my guardian angel said, “You better go to check on that patient.” This was on the first floor all the way down to the end of the hall in the old house hospital. You couldn’t do that. I ran up to get the oxygen. I saved his life. It is just a miracle. It was just a terrific thing. In Jerome, too, I was on call all the time. I went to stay at Red Lake Falls, Minnesota and that is when I was with this lady nurse there that wanted sex. Then I went back to St. Benedict’s in Jerome for a short time. Then I went into anesthesia training and that was after I had already graduated from RN. I didn’t work too many years as an RN before I went for anesthesia training. Then my graduation picture—I graduated from anesthesia. I enjoyed my anesthesia. I was in Michigan in a hospital. This doctor—the picture that I have after anesthesia training. Doctor Valder—wanted me to come to Moscow Idaho—in ’71 I came to Moscow via plane from Michigan. I was in Moscow— there were two of us nurse anesthetists. We had so much fun at the Cottonwood 11 Idaho hospital. I had to hold the retractors after 12 my shift in surgery next morning. We used that machine and it gave oxygen and nitrous oxide and I.V. penathol to be put to sleep. We put the patient to sleep and we gave them so little that they were awake the minute they came out. We didn’t seem to have any relaxation problems in those days?? We gave backrubs, some nights as many as seven backrubs to a certain patient rather than relaxation drugs. When they first came out they just had a little bell at the bedside. We had four patients in one room, no sink, no toilet. We had to use bedpans everywhere. This one patient of mine, he was twelve years old when he came, he was a patient almost continuously with bloody, pussy stools. Oh he suffered so much but he never was angry with God. That was the big thing. I was his nurse night after night after night—twelve hours. I don’t know who was more sick and tired of—he for me or me for him. In the end Dr. Dick Orr said, “I think we are going to send you to Rochester, Minnesota because I have never done an ileostomy.” Dr. Dick Orr was the son of Dr. Wesley Orr who grew up in Rochester, Minnesota and saved money to go to RN school and then worked his way to become a doctor. Then he came to Cottonwood in 1929 before there was a hospital there. He bought an old house in 1930 for a hospital. Before that he did home appendectomies—kitchen table appendectomies. It was Eleanor Enneking who later married Steve Mader—she was fourteen when he did the appendectomy— the mouth breathing bag is here in the museum here that he used for home deliveries or appendectomies. In ’29 a Seubert from Cottonwood had a ’29 car and they drove to Elk City, Idaho which is up in the mountains. It is close to one 12 hundred miles from Cottonwood, Idaho. It took a whole day but he had Seubert drive so Dr Wesley Orr could sleep on the way home but he did an appendectomy on the kitchen table on a child. The child lived. MF: Wow that is so amazing. ML: It is. Another thing that I think is very important for nurses is to know—there was a family here that had a home delivery. They had kerosene lamps and they had no electricity so doctor had a candle and right beside the candle was a kerosene lamp. There was no kerosene in it. Every time they lit it would go out. The kerosene can in the garage was empty too. So then the doctor opened up the screen door and the house door. He took his 1949 car whatever model and shown the light on a mirror in the bedroom and that was the light he had for the procedure. MF: Oh my goodness. That is very primitive huh? ML: That is primitive. I was nursing then already. I started my nursing in ’52. I worked til 2005 when I retired. I was fifty-two and a half years in the nursing profession. MF: So how did you end up getting to St. Benedict’s? ML: In Ogden—the reason was this nurse, our Sisters didn’t want me in Jerome Hospital. Then there was a Sister “C”, who said, “I think you should go on to RN training.” I wrote and I sent a picture—I wrote my history and they said yes, I could come. That was Sister “B”, I think was the one that answered one of the letters. Sister “N”, I don’t know why she answered the other letter and said I could come. I was very German. When I started high school in Minnesota 1941 13 I couldn’t even talk English. When I came to Ogden in 1961, I really still was poor in English. MF: Tell us about a few of your classmates that you were really close with. ML: James McKay, I was very close to him. He was a senior when I also went to Salt Lake to observe open heart surgery. Kathy Motichka and Anne Green was very good to me. Nancy Hart was good to me. Virginia Brown was very good, she came from Filer, Idaho. She is still alive? I would like to get her address. Maureen Baker, I liked her too. MF: We saw her last week. ML: I don’t remember too many of the seniors actually. I was a little bit bashful. Maxine Peterson—no that isn’t the one. Ditullio—I liked her. Here is Brown again and here is Kathy my classmate. I have to look here to see my classmates. Here are our freshmans. Those were the officers. Here is myself and Sister “P” is the last one. Sister “P” was the only other nun in our class. Diane Zufelt was so good to me. Shaw was very good to me. There was Diane Lessenger, they were twins her and Anne Lessenger. They went out dating which they shouldn’t have done. There is Gail and Annabelle Clark. I remember her now that I see her face. And Rae Ann Cook. I worked many, many hours. MF: Did you go to Children’s? Did you do your rotation at Children’s? ML: My Children’s was in Denver, Colorado. MF: How was that experience? ML: That was a very hard experience. Children’s—there are so many rules and regulations on children before they are eighteen. It was so terrible. I thought I 14 did such a good job on the boy that had ileoitis so bad and he had ileostomy before the ileostomy bags were available—after he had his surgery we made a hole in the mattress and he had to lay on his abdomen for six weeks. Before there were no ileostomy bags so we made a plaster of paris mold of his stomach and sent it to Holister and it took six weeks before we got one to fit. Zinc oxide or some type of cream and all over the bed and the mattress—it was the longest and the hardest patient I ever had. I took care of him for at least two or more years in my life. Dr. Dick Orr had to do the surgery and he called Rochester, Minnesota when he came to a place where he didn’t know what to do. In those days 1954 they didn’t have the telephones like we have now. The longest surgery that I ever helped with was sixteen hours. But anyhow, my psychiatric training was in Denver and that was a whole new ballgame too. In Denver they had just a big children’s hospital started. I was there for Thanksgiving. My German and taking care of this young boy and I had such different ideas from my training—it really wasn’t training, it was just experience before. That was very, very difficult. The TB training—I can’t remember where we had the TB training. SL: Was it at the Sanitarium in Ogden? ML: No. It wasn’t there. It seems to me that was not too far from Butte, Montana. MF: Oh Warm Springs. ML: Warm Springs, Montana that is where it was. I had my training there. MF: That was probably interesting. ML: Oh that was very… 15 MF: Tell us a little bit about that. I heard that was in the middle of nowhere. ML: It was in the middle of nowhere, it really was. In Warm Springs we were so isolated. Because I was a Sister—Sister “P” didn’t come to Warm Springs because Sister “P” went to St. Cloud, Minnesota to get her—they had a psychiatric ward on one floor at St. Cloud Hospital. So she went there. I was so alone. MF: That would be hard. ML: It was very hard. That wasn’t too far from Butte and there was a nurse that I had worked with as an LPN in Jerome. The interesting thing was that we became very close in Jerome. She still writes to me. We still talk to each other “via Ma Bell”. I go there and visit but now since my sister is so bad I don’t anymore. It was out there in nowhere. That was when the metal mines in Butte and Anaconda were just starting to have problems because it was more expensive to mine than what they got. Gold went way down and was it silver and lead too? I don’t remember exactly. My friend—she saved my life there. That was in Warm Springs. The TB sanitarium I just don’t remember where and I don’t remember— I just don’t remember much about that. That is just almost completely out of my mind. It is in my “forgetory.” MF: That is okay. Tell us just a little bit about when you were at St. Benedict’s about graduation. ML: We didn’t graduate with the class—we got our diploma from Bishop Joseph Patrick Federal at the Salt Lake Cathedral—even the capping. We weren’t in a capping ceremony at all. We didn’t have anything to do with it. We stayed at 16 home. We didn’t go to any of that. It was hard for us because it would have been nice to be with the class. MF: Absolutely. To have that part of being able to say, “Yes, I worked this hard.” Plus with the other classmates. ML: We always felt because we were Catholic Nuns we couldn’t do a lot of things in those days that we can do now. With our big habit… MF: And socialize. ML: Socialize—there was just no socializing. That was very hard. But I enjoyed my training days and enjoyed all my nursing days. Ogden was very good to me. The Sisters were so good to me. There were teachers that I liked. Janice Hassell is still alive. She was a clinical instructor. I didn’t like Effie Etcheverry or whatever her name is. Ruth Wheeler was real good. Oh I liked her, she was a dietary instructor. Rosemary Sullivan, I don’t remember much of her. Sister Gerald was our teacher the first year. I didn’t really work in obstetrics really that much. Sister Rebecca, oh I liked her. She was very good. Sister Jonetta was the anatomy instructor. She wasn’t my anatomy instructor very long. Sis Mary Gerald, she was the assistant director and instructor of sociology. I liked her. She helped us so much. She was always on our students side. Sister Berno liked Sister “A” and Sister “C” better than she liked me. I tried not to have much to do with her. But anyhow, what else do you want me to tell you about? SL: What was your favorite rotation? ML: My favorite? SL: Your favorite rotation when you were at St. Ben’s in Ogden. 17 ML: When I was at St. Ben’s in Ogden I enjoyed bedside nursing very much on medical and oncology floor. SL: What was your least favorite? ML: My least favorite was pediatrics. MF: That is what a lot of them have said. ML: Well naturally because our instructor in pediatrics left and we got a new instructor that I think came from St. Ben’s. I knew her name but I have forgotten it. I just didn’t like it so I just sort of spaced it out. Psych was my next—I really like psych otherwise but the psych training was so different than what I discovered. MF: With what you had experienced. ML: Yes. MF: Sometimes you can’t do cookie cutter. You can’t have everybody’s situation fit into this little mold. ML: That is right. It is so different. I still have my pin from St. Benedict’s Hospital. MF: Janet—what is her name? SL: Ramsey. MF: Janet Ramsey from ’59, she has her pin. She made a necklace out of it. She showed us that. ML: In one of my pictures—I was a nurse for so many years at St. Joe’s in Lewiston. I had all these pins and had a twenty year pin and I was there over twenty years. MF: Well thanks for letting us visit with you.