6 - Q. When was Utah mentioned casually? A. Back when Borch was Chief Executive Officer I'm sure at one time or another he expressed the possibility...no, the desirability...1 have long been an advocate of integrating backward...our need for copper and tungsten sources within control of the Company. Certainly not a total supply. Q. But you don't have that now? A. No. At least we have the opportunity of finding it now if not one of the major producers now. We don't have tungsten either, but it's another string to the bow. Next to Western Electric, GE is the largest user of copper in the world. Q. That's fascinating. One hears much of GE reorganization... A. Does one? Impending or past reorganization? Q. For one on the outside, I do. Impending. A. An organization is like a machine tool. It has to be sharpened. You're never going to have an optimum organization, because it's all a matter of judgment. It's the people who make it work. When Borch doubled the number of groups, some people thought it was too many. Now we have cut from that number. An organization will change with the times. You establish an organization to tend to problems and plan for the future. Q. It seems you have a cluster of people at the top of the same age. Who's going to run GE? Don't you have to dip down a couple of tiers? A. The three of us will be moving out about the same time. Another level is the group level with the managers in their 40's and early 50's. They're awfully good. We're in good shape. I feel we have to move management along. I feel Dave and I ought to get out soon. If we don't have people who can do the job, we haven't been doing ours. Right now our people are sitting on every head hunter's list in the country. Q. There's quite a GE alumni out there. Quite a few chiefs have come from GE. A. Right. When you get down to the bottom line, there's only one fellow who can be the chief executive. And the fact you don't live by bread alone enters into it. But I like to feel we feed our managers on raw meat. I don't think we're seeing any dispersement of our management. (Mr. Parker requested Kraar to stop back toward the end of his interviewing and give his impression on what he's found.)