Oral History Program Patriarch Carl Storey Interviewed by Bill Critchlow 7 January 1975 i Oral History Program Weber State University Stewart Library Ogden, Utah Patriarch Carl Storey Interviewed by Bill Critchlow 7 January 1975 Copyright © 2014 by Weber State University, Stewart Library ii Mission Statement The Oral History Program of the Stewart Library was created to preserve the institutional history of Weber State University and the Davis, Ogden and Weber County communities. By conducting carefully researched, recorded, and transcribed interviews, the Oral History Program creates archival oral histories intended for the widest possible use. Interviews are conducted with the goal of eliciting from each participant a full and accurate account of events. The interviews are transcribed, edited for accuracy and clarity, and reviewed by the interviewees (as available), who are encouraged to augment or correct their spoken words. The reviewed and corrected transcripts are indexed, printed, and bound with photographs and illustrative materials as available. Archival copies are placed in University Archives. The Stewart Library also houses the original recording so researchers can gain a sense of the interviewee's voice and intonations. Project Description The Weber State College/University Student Projects have been created by students working with several different professors on the Weber State campus. The topics are varied and based on the student's interest or task for a specific assignment. These oral history assignments were created to help Weber State students learn the value and importance of recording public history and to benefit the expansion of the Weber State oral history collections. ____________________________________ Oral history is a method of collecting historical information through recorded interviews between a narrator with firsthand knowledge of historically significant events and a well-informed Kelley Evans, with the goal of preserving substantive additions to the historical record. Because it is primary material, oral history is not intended to present the final, verified, or complete narrative of events. It is a spoken account. It reflects personal opinion offered by the interviewee in response to questioning, and as such it is partisan, deeply involved, and irreplaceable. ____________________________________ Rights Management All literary rights in the manuscript, including the right to publish, are reserved to the Stewart Library of Weber State University. No part of the manuscript may be published without the written permission of the University Librarian. Requests for permission to publish should be addressed to the Administration Office, Stewart Library, Weber State University, Ogden, Utah, 84408. The request should include identification of the specific item and identification of the user. It is recommended that this oral history be cited as follows: Storey, Patriarch Carl, an oral history by Bill Critchlow, 7 January 1975, WSU Stewart Library Oral History Program, University Archives, Stewart Library, Weber State University, Ogden, UT. iii Abstract: The following is an oral history interview with Patriarch Carl Storey. The interview was conducted on January 7, 1975, by Bill Critchlow, in Storey’s home in North Ogden, Utah. Patriarch Storey discusses his life and a number of things about the North Ogden history. This interview was made in conjunction with a group of Priests and explorers from the North Ogden 9th Ward. BC: Patriarch Storey, it's nice to be in your home, we appreciate your hospitality. Why don't you tell us a little bit about your life, where you were born, some things like that, your childhood? PS: I was born in North Ogden and I've lived here all my life, I'm 75 now, and I love this community. I was born on right here on Wash Creek, my father lived here and it’s always been a beautiful location, nestled here at the foot of the Wasatch Mountains, and the foot of Ben Lomond Peak. BC: When were you born? PS: I was born in October 1, 1899. This year of 75 I'm 75 years old. BC: What was your childhood like? PS: My childhood was very inhabitant, a lot of fond memories. It was a happy childhood, my father and my mother were very active in the Ritual Privilege Association. Father was President of the young men and mother was President of the Young Women. So was president of all the recreational advantages, involved in the ward? Of course we walked down to the church where the stake center is now located. At times it was real cold in the winter. We attended school in North Ogden the school building was right just North of the Stake Center on the same block. BC: What was school like? PS: Well, the school we had good grades and we'd take our lunch and in the winter time we'd help them ________ we called them storage farms. We went from here to school on our sleighs. They didn't plough the streets and all this good snow for the bob-sleigh our little pony pulled. I remember staying there. It was John Quincy Blaylock who was later principal of Weber High School, he was the principal of North Ogden Schools. BC: How many students were there in the school? PS: I think there were about 20 in our graduating class, and we graduated in the 8th grade. BC: Why do they call this area Storey Town? PS: Well, because my grandmother who was a widow brought her 8 children here from Bingham, all the best land down on the main part of the town had been sold and bought the only land that was left at the Walker Bank _____ and coming up here, she had these eight children, six boys and two girls, spent the last ten cents for a loaf of bread ______ up around the bench called Storey town. BC: What had your grandfather died of? PS: He was killed in a railroad accident ________________________ after that she had joined the church and promised she would bring the children to Utah. And his brother was a very influential member of Parliament, he tried to persuade her to stay there, and he would educate all the children see that they all had good positions. And that he would give her a lot of help but he wouldn't give her any help if she was going to leave and go to Utah with the Mormons. But we came anyway. BC: About when did she leave England? 2 PS: It was in the Spring of 1875, it was after the railroad was here that they came across the continent, they came on a sailing vessel, across the Atlantic then they came across the country on a water. BC: That’s very interesting. When they arrived in North Ogden were there many other people in the area? PS: No, it was just a small settlement, mostly around the area where the old ____ used to be. Instilled in here, we used to count down from the pastures on the bottom land and come up _____. BC: What about the old fort? PS: Oh, I have a description of it here. BC: I'd be very interested in you telling us about it. Why don't you tell us about it and then we can look at that later if that's all right. Will that be all right? Thank you. PS: The old fort was where the settlement was very quickly sold, and Brigham Young had advised the Saints to build forts so that we could have some protection from the Indians. So we decided to follow the advice and we started this fort which was a rock wall and I don't know, I haven't been able to find out just how high of starting at the Northwest corner of it, it was the Northwest corner of it was north of the North Ogden swimming pool, North 0gden there by the park, at 500 East. The North line of it went right through Marvin Beamers property and Lord Abley’s property straight over to 650 East then it went south as far as Carl Riches property, at the corner of 650 East and 2650 North then it went East a little ways to 700 East on the corner where Mable Orton house is, then it went south on 700 street down to Berretts street on the corner where Loll Cutler lives. Then it went straight west from there along 2450 to the point just right near the city building. Where 3 North Ogden City building is, then North up 500 past the _____ up to the _____ then the records that I've read in the books revised which is done very often done by Greg R. Hummar, beneath Ben Lomond’s peak, and furthermore it was built by ____ it was built out of rock, so the cost of it was $15,000. I don't know that was a lot of money in those days. I don't know what the expense services were, laborers and donators. There was plenty of rock. BC: When did they start building the fort? PS: They started building it early in 1853 and continued on to 1853 and part of 1854 and then there was an Indian up driving in 1854, had built a brick wall over on Coldwater, over there where I lived for some years. There was a big Indian came running and demanded he didn't want to wait in line for his grits, margarine, vanilla, and male struck this Indian and by the afternoon that same day the Indians, with their war men, surrounded the Bishop Dunn's home. Bishop Dunn's home was high on the southeast corner of the where the stake center is now, where it is, and they surrounded his home and was finally able to quiet them down by giving them wheat and flour and then after that it would quiet down, and more settlers moved in so that in the fall of 1854 they abandoned the fort before they had it completed. It never had been completed all the way around. BC: Why did they abandon it? PS: Because the Indians seemed to be more friendly, and there were many people moving in they didn't think there was a need. BC: Who were some of the prominent people involved in building the fort? Bishop Dunn you've mentioned. 4 PS: There was Bishop Dunn and some of the early settlers, Sonja Kendall and Jonathan Kendall, David Gardner, Romnio Marrion, Brother Rice, having to do with Rice Creek. BC: Was the fort, when in existence, it wasn't ever really used because the Indians became more peaceful, more settlers came in. Were there any Indian problems from the time of, oh, 1854 to the time that your grandmother arrived that you recall? PS: I know that they had some problems with the Indians, they were constantly begging for food and they would sometimes ____ campgrounds kind of down at the bottom, down where those pastures are down by George Albert’s farm. BC: Do you recall what life was like when your grandmother first came? Perhaps from your father’s childhood and growing up, what days were like here? Godfather and what did they do for a living? PS: No. We were very poor we just built these storage barns for different farmers to work for the farmers. And my father when he was eleven and he came here and she sent him down to Brother Crawford’s farm down in West Weber, worked all summer when he was eleven years old. We were down there until _______ we walked all the way from West Weber through the field and _________ when we got here we were so tanned and freckled that mother wouldn't recognize us. When we went to go back, we would have to catch a ride on the back of a serf and along ______ ferry whipped him off at his home anyway. Had to walk very poorly. Then later we worked on the farm of Lewis Barker in North Ogden, __________ we used to be gone all day, we'd work from seven in the morning until dark, made all our money. BC: That would be boarding out then, you'd get a dollar a day. PS: Yes, you'd to homework. 5 BC: I see. What kind of crops were they growing? PS: Well, they grew hay and grain, mostly alfalfa grain and corn. BC: What kind of occupation did your father finally decide he’d do? PS: Well, the imperial industrialist was part of grandfather Dalton. There was a man’s need for leiging the ditch. Came here on a hundred acres right south of our place, by the Ben Lomond orchard. It was later, we took them all off the trees my father worked for him but finally all of the Storey boys honored their land and their grandmother gave each one of them a piece of land right by here. They counted out the trees so that what I was raised one of the fruit farmers. BC: I guess I've missed something, what was your grandmother’s name? PS: Margaret Storey. BC: Margaret Storey, and your grandfather who was killed in a train accident? PS: His name was James Storey. BC: James Storey. And your father and your mother? PS: My father’s name was Thomas B. Storey, and they called him Tom. The boys were named Jim, Sam, and Tom and George and Charles. BC: How about your mother, what was her name? PS: She was Maryann Spencer from Riverdale. Her father was William Spencer and he was in the Martin Hancock Company, and he buried his first wife on the plains, she died on the plains and he had one little boy he continued on in the handcart company. And they came here and my mother was raised out in Riverdale, his farm was off Weber, there where this new theatre is by the Weber River. He came out here to teach too, and my father had lost his wife had poor nights in the winter, my mother came out here to teach school and that's 6 where she met my father, then they were married and she had two children. Myself and my sister Lauri Storey. BC: Did you know your grandfather Stimpson? PS: Yes. BC: Did he ever tell you much about the handcart company? PS: Well, he never told me much but my mother told me about it. BC: What did she say, what were handcarts like? PS: Well, they were two wheels and small beds used to carry their belongings and they just pulled these handcarts across the plains. The Martin Company was leading they led in the light of the 4 of July, when they got up here in the valley, during winter, and they had heavy storms there and a lot of them had perished so they could make it into the Salt Lake Valley. BC: Is that where your grandmother died, your grandmother Stimpson? PS: No, that was his first wife then he married my grandmother. BC: She died in Wyoming during the-- PS: During the ______ and was buried there in Wyoming. BC: When you were a young man you had a sister and then four other brothers and sisters, is that correct? PS: Yes. BC: Do all of those folks live in North Ogden now? PS: No. My sister lives in the old home, still lives in the old homes. BC: Where's that? 7 PS: That's in a short distance from here. Southwest of here, so this is 3100 North it's on 3000 North about half mile west. BC: Do you remember having people talking about polygamy? Did you know any people that were married in polygamy? PS: Yes. My grandfather was a polygamist. He had two wives here in the valley, besides the one that died on the plains. So my mother was raised in a polygamist family. BC: When you were growing up as a young man what kinds of things did you do for recreation in North Ogden. PS: Oh we had sometimes recreation every Friday evening. We went to church on Sunday, a picture show and a dance and a party of some kind in the old hall, on the Friday evening, and they had the sacrament meeting in the afternoon MIA on Sunday night our recreation was then for Friday night. BC: That's Interesting. PS: Then we had an athletic, played baseball on Saturday. BC: Now was it church sponsored baseball? PS: Well, it was Vaughn Burrow, Vaughn Burrow league and we did have some church teams in MIA, in basketball and baseball. BC: You were growing up as Joseph F. Smith, was president of the church, do you remember President Smith? PS: I remember him with a long white beard, and he came here to dedicate our North Ogden church. That is the old church just West of the Stake center is now. In 1906 they built the recreation hall, and cultural on the back and that was dedicated in 1908, I remember 8 distinctly, I was three years old and I was sitting on those little chairs that are in the front, and he dedicated the building. BC: You also were in your teenage years during the First World War. Do you remember any reaction when the first world war in this area, how did people feel, their antagonism toward Germany? PS: Well, of course there is some antagonism. We had a lot of the boys leave and a few of them killed in the war. I distinctly remember the day that the war ended because I was 18 years old and I was in the next couple that was going to leave. The war had ended so I didn't go. BC: Had you been drafted then? PS: No. BC: How did the draft work then, how did your name come up? PS: I guess just like it does now, recent years I can't remember how it came up because I was called up. BC: You registered for the draft then; everyone from 18 to 45 registered and got numbered. You were lucky not to go to war. PS: Right soon after it, the following year after that, then, I got called on my mission. BC: Where did you go? PS: To the Eastern States. All of my mission was in New York State, most of it in New York City. BC: Who was the mission President then? PS: Vaughn W. King. BC: What was missionary work like, while you were on your mission? 9 PS: Well it was better when we, when the ______ was on treating you. The population was so thick that in New York we had in the spring and the summer we had many, many street meetings. It was Captain I just didn't recall that as now, just get out there on the curb and start to sing, a crowd would gather around to see what was happening, and we would preach to them. BC: Did you have good success? PS: Yes, we had a lot of interests but not many converts. There was one very fine man that was converted. His name was Dr. Lawrence Crawford, he met us on the street. After I got home when he found I was home no one to teach him in a car we checked and he drove up along the street. He was a very fine man and later Earl Jones from North Ogden moved in and took the business. BC: That's a great opportunity isn't it? You were in the mission field for how long? PS: I was there for about 17 months and then my mother was really sick and she wanted to see me. I had been there 17 months and President Grant released me and I came home as fast as I could, got here on a Friday evening and she died on a Sunday. BC: It was great for you to be able to see her. PS: It was. I was quite untold and my father wanted me to stay with him on the fruit farm, so I didn't go back to college. Then I stayed on the fruit farm until the great depression of the 30's and things were pretty tough and I went and got a few bookkeeping jobs and I worked all night. Then I started to study with correspondence courses and with special courses at the University of Utah, and then I passed my CPA exam, and opened up my office here in Ogden where I took the store at First Security Building through 1937. 10 BC: You mentioned you went to college before you went into the mission field, where did you go to school? PS: At Weber. BC: Who was the principal at the school then, I guess it would have been a principal. PS: The principal was at first Owen Leal and James L. Bachman. BC: Do you remember what school was like at Weber then? PS: Yes, it was a good school. I was secretary and treasurer of the Student body. BC: How many students were there? PS: It seemed like there were about 6 hundred. BC: I see. But you were married when? PS: In 1923. BC: Just shortly after you returned from you mission? PS: Yes. BC: And you and your wife have lived in North Ogden since you have been married? PS: Yes. BC: How many children do you have? PS: We have one son and one daughter. We had two boys that died when they were babies, we had four. Our son is in New York our daughter lives here just a block from our house. BC: You have been very active in the church since your mission, what types of responsibilities have you had? PS: Well, first I was called to be superintendent of MIA, and I had that I was in that calling for fourteen years. Then I was general secretary of the Aaronic priesthood, and then when Ogden Stake was divided in 1942, the Ben Lomond Stake was created, I was called on 11 the high council, was in the high council for 9 years and then the Stake Presidency for 13 years, Patriarch for eight years. BC: Is it an easy job being the patriarch? PS: No, It's a very difficult time, but one that creates much satisfaction, great joy. BC: How, I assume you give patriarchal blessings quite regularly? PS: Yes, I have now given 553. BC: That's a fine opportunity. PS: I have done most of the talking, let me ask brother Critchlow if he has some questions. BC: When did North Ogden corporate as a community? PS: 1934. BC: How did they come part of the corporate Weber County? PS: Yes. BC: Who was the first Mayor? PS: The first Mayor was David Daniels. BC: Do you remember all the mayors since then? PS: I think so. BC: You served as auditor of the city during that time? PS: Since that time, yes. BC: Since 1934 you have been the auditor of North Ogden. Has there been any things that have occurred that have been particularly not worthy to? PS: Yes, we had a centennial 100 years after the ward was organized. The ward was organized on March 14, 1853 and March of 1953 we had this big centennial in Salt Lake and we had a lot of special programs and dinners and historical pageants and then we 12 had President David O. McKay here, Brother Packard here and that really added a lot to Salt Lake and as the meeting finished, the chairman the brother was conducting the meeting got up and said, now you all must remain in your seats while President and Sister McKay leave, and get in their car. He said, oh no I want to shake hands with the President, we were there for an hour or two afterwards to shake his hand. Then they had the Nathanial celebration on the ward every year, it used to be a great big event in which they would feed all the people and leave the children to go wild. And when I was going to school, I would go till about four or five then I would have to leave, and we and the children got to eat, then we had a program going all day long and have a big celebration every year on the Fourth of July. BC: Were there records kept of the old North Ogden Ward back in the 1830's, written records? PS: I guess they had to send in the minutes and records to the church I'd guess as much as there are would be in the archives in the church historical building. But J.C. Billoff wrote a history of North Ogden and he has hundreds and hundreds of dates and events that took place, of births and marriages and deaths and a lot and he recorded a lot of things. But it needs to be the _______ and a copy of it, but it certainly needs to be organized and published, it has a lot of information there. BC: Does that captain Roy Blaylock live up on the hill? PS: Yes. BC: Does he still have that history or do you have it? PS: I have it right now, do you want to see it? BC: Why don't we look at it after we talk with you just a minute? PS: Alright. 13 BC: You were in the stake presidency for 13 years. During that time, didn't North Ogden stake achieve some kind of church record that you can-- PS: Yes, every Saturday the church section Desert News came out and once a month you could publish a copy of entry reports of all the stakes in the church. At that time there was maybe over 400 stakes, and we used to publish the 50 highest stakes in all the papers. There were a lot of complications and there was a lot of wonderful interest in it. For a period there for several years we were always in the top 10 in the Aaronic priesthood program. A number of times doing that period we were number one, and then LeGrand Richard was presiding bishop and we were very strong on that recording, but there was a settlement that when the administration came in the presiding bishopric decided that competition wasn't too good, so they discontinued there performance. The percentages were not as high now as they were then. BC: Why do you count for such great activity, other than competition? PS: Well, we had a good right fished committee that was noted Sunday morning would meet early every Sunday morning then went out and worked with the ward and coordinated very closely with the MIA, and we had some wonderful districts at that time and we hadn't Powers, any encouragement from Lee do you remember him? BC: He wrote a book on it? PS: Yes, the history of the United States. He was the executive director over the Aaronic priesthood under the presiding bishop. He passed on whatever he knew. BC: Jim here is in charge of the North Ogden fort project here, would you have any questions to ask Patriarch Storey? Well, we appreciate your time Patriarch Storey, your hospitality 14 today to inviting us into your home. We think you have certainly done a great work here and shown a great example to the people of this area. PS: I sure appreciate you coming, thank you for helping me bring some of these things to my memory. BC: Before we go off the record and finish this, you recall any particular events of interest that occurred in or about the fort, North Ogden fort? Telling us experience of the fort? PS: No, I tried to look up what I could but there isn't very much written on it. I can't remember anything. BC: The fort was kind of an L shape wasn't it? PS: Yes, it had that jog in it. BC: Do you recall how much area was involved inside that fort? How many feet there were? PS: About four city blocks north and south, and about 6 city blocks east and west. BC: What was the, pretty much a mile wasn't it, square mile? PS: Yes. BC: You say it was made of stone? PS: Yes, I remember some parts of that north wall were by Henry Chandler’s barn, we used to have lunch there when we went to school, all of us climbing it. BC: How high was it? PS: Well they just turned the wall down and rocks were there, but it was not standing as a wall. BC: Do you recall in your reading how high the walls were built? PS: I don't think they were too high, not very high I thought must be just high enough so the Indians could not get the horses over us. 15 BC: Were the ideas of the fort, if the Indians attack there would be enough warning that everyone could get inside the fort or were people living inside the fort all of the time, what was the idea? PS: I guess it was they could come to the fort in the warning of danger. There was quite a few that lived outside. BC: You mentioned the Indians down on the bottom, you named a farm down there. Wasn't that generally to the west of Barkers station? PS: Yes. BC: That would have been the barns, your neck of the woods. PS: That was wonderful pastures, down there. The grass really grows down there, really high. BC: What about the stone that was in the old wall of the fort, did it finds its way into the homes of the people in North Ogden? PS: Eventually. I was talking to Earl Gibson who is in his 80's now, and he said he remembers some of the rocks in the fort and the swimming pool had all been hauled away by the ______ used them for foundation I think. BC: So the old North Ogden Fort is still with us this year. Let me ask, Patriarch, how did Ben Lomond get its name? PS: Well there’s a peak in Scotland called Ben Lomond. BC: Or Lock Lomond. PS: Either Lock Lomond or Ben Lomond but I think there's both. It was one of the Montgomery men that was a settler here, named Montgomery suggested they name it after the peak in Scotland, which it was named. BC: North Ogden was called Ogden Hole by the residence out here for a long time wasn't it? 16 PS: Yes. BC: Can you explain why? PS: Well, I guess it was called that for the trappers came down in here and camped some of their furs. Another name was nicknamed Honey they found out later that Huntsville was really Ogden Hole, and North Ogden wasn't really what they called Ogden Hole. There’s, it’s about Wilford Woodruff coming to North Ogden and he called it that, because he wrote in his journal and said this is his report. After leaving at Bingham Fort, I rode large through Ogden Hole. It says North Ogden in parenthesis. This is one of the most flourishing settlements in the territory, according to the number of inhabitants. The soil is very rich and fertile and water abundant. They number 47 families and have raised 16 thousand bushels of wheat this year. A jacking machine was in operation while I was there and the school has 50 scholars. BC: You’re reading from the Beneath the Ben Lomond Peak, right? PS: Right. BC: It looks like you have Nephi Browns history, was there something of particular interest in that that made you have it available tonight? PS: Yes, sure I like the descriptions of his childhood in North Ogden, and the surroundings here. It’s a real good description. BC: When was his book printed? PS: It was 1970 when Nephi died. It was started in 1967, I think It was printed in 1969. BC: That's very interesting. Was he a long time resident of North Ogden? 17 PS: Yes, and all of his younger life he was raised here and he was cashier and office manager for Utah Power and Light and he transferred to Salt Lake. So be spent many years in Salt Lake and was a member of the Tabernacle Choir for many years and then he came back here and built a home up on Mountain Road in Ogden then he finally bought a home out here and was out here when he died. BC: Do you remember what irrigation was like during your youth and was water scarce? PS: Yes. We used the rice creek and we had a water turn every 6 ½ days. We had our water turn on Saturday morning and the next week it would be on Friday night then Friday morning then Thursday night and it just moved up 12 hours each week. It only covered a few rows of trees and we had to stay with it all night, take turns at night. My father and some of his neighbors developed this Mountain Water Irrigation. It's a pipe line that comes down from the mountains and we also used that. A man that _________ and mom only covered about two rows at a time. So you used to have to coax it along all night and my father used to have me stay with the water the first part of the night and about 1 o'clock then he would get up and stay with it until morning. BC: Was there a water master? PS: Yes. And there was a few years that creek that the water master would come from the rice creek stream, we had a kerosene lantern and would go along and turn water to the different systems. BC: What would you do as water master if someone watered out of turn? PS: Well, we'd have to go back and turn it so it didn't run. BC: Did you have any sort of punishment for someone? 18 PS: I didn't have any trouble that way while I served. But there was sometimes that would fight over one. BC: Did you know of any? PS: I don't recall any, distinctly. BC: Was there any Irrigation company organized or-- PS: Sure, the Rick Creek Irrigation Company, the Mountain Water Irrigation Company, and the North Ogden Canal Company. Three companies’ here then the Pine View High Line Canal was built in 1936 by these companies and they exchanged water, more water, for that. So then most of us could use the Pine View water. BC: How was there quite a change in the quality of fruit zone, because of being able to water later in the year? PS: Yes. Pine View canal was _________. BC: Can you give me any examples of some of the specific advantages from Pine View water? PS: Pine View water, the water master came along and turned your water, water that you ordered, turned it on in the morning and it went for 24 hours, then he turned it off. Now you have the pressure system so you can turn it on any time you want, you don't have to water at night and you don't have to water on Sundays. BC: You have been very closely associated with irrigation in this area. Would you suggest any one or two people who are very responsible for pushing Pine View Reservoir through, making sure the water came. PS: Well, President Paul Kendall was one of the leaders in that, and fen our city administration Nolan Berrett was very foresighted and managed for the city. 19 BC: Well, we appreciate your time tonight. PS: I'd like to mention one other thing about the fruit investor. I've organized what we call Fruit Growers Association, and I've been in that for a long time and we’re still shipping fruit crates to local markets and the truckers usually take them the rest of the way to the fruit places, and apples but we still ship sweet cherries, through the Fruit Growers Association. BC: How long has that been organized? PS: In 1941, and the following I was the first and I after he died then I have handled it since then. BC: I guess I would like to ask just one more question. I know it’s getting late, what was 25th street like as you grew up, do you remember anything about 25th street? PS: No, we were just advised to get our recreation here in North Ogden. We didn't know much about it, but it had a bad reputation. BC: How often would the people that lived out here travel to Ogden? PS: Well, when the automobile was developed a lot of them went to Ogden quite often. BC: When you were a boy how often did you go to Ogden or Salt Lake? PS: Salt Lake, maybe once a year for conference, and Ogden, on Saturdays to take our eggs and butter and bring our groceries back. BC: Did you go to Salt Lake on the train? PS: _______________. BC: Did you go to Lagoon when you were young? PS: Yes. BC: How about to the amusement park in Syracuse? PS: I don't remember that but we went to Saltaire. 20 BC: Saltaire. How about to Background, Garfield Beach? PS: Yes. BC: Were there pretty good sized crabs out there? PS: Good size. Went to the first all church dance festival in Saltaire. BC: When was that? PS: I don't remember, probably about 1925. No one else participated when I was President of the mutual we participated in the first all church basketball tournament, there was just two teams in it, Forrest Dale ward in Salt Lake and the North Ogden Ward. 21