6 - working out well in terms of being able to apply resources to get problems solved. Re sales agents, Burlingame said we don't have to use but we do use, some representatives for 20-25 years, and sometimes we sell directly and sometimes we're distributors. Kraar probed a number of times again re Utah, as to what it meant, how it affected international business, how it could be translated into sales. Burlingame said that the effect varied depending upon the country, noting that Japan, Brazil and Australia were the key places. In Australia, GE is in the cities whereas Utah is of country, but obviously they have a reinforcing relationship. In Brazil we are active in manufacturing and Brazil is a good export customer. This sets up some trade imbalances, which the acquisition of Utah may help or at least provide an opportunity to help. In Japan customers important to Utah operate in areas of interest to us. For example, we have attempted to operate as supplier to Japanese consortia, which is not easy. There are some instances where we have something to offer, and Utah will help broaden our universe and relationships with them. Consortia given was tin mill in