i) Is —— continued from page 1 thought. Students, inmates & Board of Pardons state can require for parole. About six months from the time this article went to press, Randall will be completely free of the corrections system in th state of Utah. Following are parts of the interview (un-edited)conducted by Dr. Gillespie's Sociology of Prisons class: Q: Did you have a juvenile delinquent history? Randall: Had no juvenile record. Had a petty shoplift when I was about 12. Lived in a small town, was stealing .22 shells from a country store so we could go out and shoot frogs. Other than that I had no criminal record at all until I was 19. On my first felony conlviction I went to Illinois State Prison for three-and-a-half years for armed robbery. Q: How were you released, how did you get here? Q: Where do you work? Randall: Right now I work for an electrical company. I have a BA degree in sociology and as far as I’m concern- Q:It says on your marital status that you've been married twice and divorced twice. Have you been married since and are you married now? Randall: Yes. I’m married again. _ Q: How long do you think this marriage will last? Randall: Forever. Q: Just like the others? Randall: Well, the others...I went to the prison system. Both my previous marriages ended because I went to prison. And I can sit here today and tell you I ain’t never going back to prison, but I don’t know that. I will never put I’m concerned the parole system is a joke. I been on parole two-and-a-half years...and I’ve seen my parole officer twice. One time I wanted a travel permit to go out of state. One time the FBI had him come to my house to find out my whereabouts. out and willfully, wantonly commit another crime. But I know that I have a temper and I know that if you were driving down the street and run over one of my kids, I don’t know what I would do. I may react before | myself back in prison. I will never go lege is proposed to be a year ‘round multi use facility overlooking Wildcat Stadium and the Ogden valley. The building will serve the college as well as alumni and community members. The facility will provide much needed office space for the Weber State College Alumni Association and_ theWeber Wildcat Club. It will provide a highly visible, attractive, easily accessible structure with an uncongested parking area. It will facilitate receptions, conferences, seminars and meetings for both the campus and the community. The facility will provide be funded entirely by private sources. The Alumni Office, Development Of- fice, Weber Wildcat Club, WSC Development Foundation and_ the Athletic Department are all engaged in fund-raising efforts. The estimated cost of the 14,000 square foot— building is $1 million, nearly half of which has already been raised. Construction is expected to begin by spring or summer of 1985. The fund raising committee is chaired by Tom Welch of Salt Lake City and last year’s ASWSC president. Other members of the. committee include Brad Drake; John E. Lindquist, revenue for the Presidential Scholar- Wildcat Club; Kent B. Peterson, Development Foundation. Dean W. Hurst, WSC vice president for College ship Program and scholarships for student athletes through the sale of “box seats” for football games and other ment Director, and Robb Alexander, assistant Development Director, repre- additional events held in the stadium. The Alumni Scholarship House will Relations, Don Spainhower, Developsent the WSC administration on the committee. College receives partnership PF: units of limited partnership in the Radisson Tower Hotel valued at over $100,000 have been donated to the Weber State College Foundation. The donation came from DCA Development Corporation, the general partner of Ben Lomond Suites Limited which is remodeling the Ben Lomond Hotel in Ogden into what builders are calling the finest hotel in the west. The hotel is called the Radisson Tower. DCA president Daniel W. Cook said that the limited partnership means that the college will receive a portion of the future profits from the hotel with yearly income that could reach $40,000. largely. responsible for the gift. He said, “We were looking for a place to make a possible donation and Mr. Critchlow suggested that the gift might do the most good at the college.” Kent Peterson, chairman of the WSC Foundation, said, “This is a unique donation that will provide years of support to the college. This kind of thing can’t help but continue the educa- tional excellence available for nobody, I didn’t talk to nobody, my father died when I was 16 and I just took off. Packed a suitcase and left. From then on it was downhill. Q:You were on death row for three years. How does that differ from being in regular? Randall:You're locked up. They allow you half an hour a day to shower and clean out your cell and other than that you're locked up. You're locked in a six by nine foot you don’t know You don’t know they're not going it’s your turn. I don’t object to cubicle. Other than where your fate is. that in the morning to come by and say : capital punishment. And I was there. I object to the way they hand it out. You got the Hi-Fi people from Ogden. Notariety case. Lance and Kellback—they finally got off death row. Ogden Hi-Fi people will too. People going to forget about it. It’s been 10 years. They been out there for scholarship House underway he Alumni Scholarship House at Weber State Col- more. Q: What led up to your involvement ed it aint worth the paper it’s printed in the murder and the rape? on. It’s hard to get a job in the field | Randall: Who knows? Running unless you have a master’s. away from all my problems. I trusted Randall: I'm on parole... As far as B So I can’t never say that I won't go back. : Q: Did you willfully commit these crimes that you've been accused of? Randall: Yes. Them and many, many the Weber State students.” Development officials at the college said that income from the partnership will become a part of the WSC Founda- 10 years playing little games with them. ...Capital punishment don’t deter. The only person it'd deter is if they'd a killed me, the only thing you say about him—he'll never kill nobody again. That's it. It wouldn't change nobody else. Q: Do you feel any guilt or remorse for the murder? Randall: Oh yeah. A lot, but I can't change it. I try not to think about it because I can’t change it. Q: This girl died...is it fair for you to be out? Randall: I don’t know that it’s just or not. | can’t determine it. Q: How would you feel if it happened to your daughter? Randall: If it was my daughter 20 years from now, the dude better run. Q: In the system what...? Randall: In the system? I don't know. Maybe I'd feel like they should kill him. I don’t know. Q: Rape and murder one. Was that a release mechanism or was it (the rape) a sexual thing? Randall: No. I don’t think there was any sexual thing to it. Just a release mechanism for a pent-up anger towards everybody. | felt the world owed me a trip. And that was just part of the thing. That's a part of what hap- pened. I'd hate to have to do the time for all the things that I've done. Q: Theoretically, you're still in prison. After listening to what you've just told us, why should I let you out? Randall: I feel that I've done a proper amount of time. ...I1 denied what | did for years. I fought it. I could have done five years for this beef. I could have pled guilty to second degree murder and done from five to seven years. But I feel that was the biggest tion Endowment and annual earnings thing, the fact that I admitted and that |There are a total of 100 units of owner- : ‘will be turned over to the college for - I took responsibility for what I’d done. ship in the project, he said. unrestricted use. Q: What kind of games did you have Cook said, “We see the College as The Radisson Tower will have a total to play? If we were a real board what the most positive thing happening in of 104 suites, 22 of which will be kind of lies...? . the area. We particularly like the input regular hotel rooms. The suites will Randall: Oh, now, if you was the and direction that Pres. Brady is tak- have a bedroom, living room, real board, if I had to come up here and ing.” kitchenette and a bath with a jacuzzi. ‘depend that you people were going to Cook said that William J. Critchlow, In addition to the rooms there will also parole me, | wouldn't be telling you Ill, an attorney for DCA and a be a lounge, coffeeshop and convenwhat I'm telling you. You'd have to member of the WSC Foundation, was “tion center. blank everything that I’ve told you and January 1985 page 11 I'd tell you the biggest lie in the world—I go to church every Sunday, I'm the second counselor in the church, I have the bishop here with me... And | ‘did. I had the bishop with me and | ‘went up there and told them this big long good old story because I knew it would get me out of prison. And | played it. Q: Was the murder pre-meditated when you were raping the girl or did you feel that she provoked it? Randall: It was kind of provoked. | didn’t even know really that it had happened, for a while. Five minutes maybe. Q: Didn't know which had happened? Randall: The murder. From the place that it happened, I was about half a mile down the road and there was this great big mound of asphalt in the road and I run into that. And I think it was her purse and her shoes sitting in the front seat of my car—oh wow. (He realized what had happened.) So | threw them out. I knew I had to get back to somewhere I could try to cover things up. But I don't really remember, I don’t remember a space here. | remember parts of it. | don’t remember the space of it ‘till I hit this mound of stuff in the road. (His record shows that Randall married his second wife the day after he committed the murder.) Q: Could you first tell me, as if I was on. the board, what your plans were (when you got out) and then tell me how you did? Randall: My main goal was just to get out and try to be a part of society. Function as a part of the cosmo—whatever you want to call it. Live and abide by the rules set down by society —give up drugs, get a job, whatever. Since that time, I’ve got out. I havea job, I’m married, I have a home. I’m pretty functionable right now and I'm pretty steady. After going through this type of interview with the parolee and inmate, Dr. Gillespie asked his students to submit their reactions to the experience in writing, and to tell him whether they thought the experience was worth while to the class. Responses follow: ‘I thoroughly enjoyed the experience. I felt a lot of anguish inside. | felt some guilt for giving lighter sentences and or too long of a sentence. I felt a lot of hate for some of these guys also.” “The experience...was a real eye- opener for me. I am a compassionate person, but found I could not empathize with either man...” “T felt like it was very worth while. I don’t know if I could be on a Board of Pardons. I feel that people should pay for their crimes and tend to be tough, but after seeing the people it was fairly easy to be lenient.” “All I'm learning from corrections as a whole is that once someone is in the system they'll never be ‘rehabilitated’ or ‘treated.’ All they have to do is learn to play the game and say the right things the parole board wants to hear in order to get out of prison. In our society there is no such thing as corrections which is sad.” “T learned that our system is not as cut and dry as I had pictured. That there are a lot of variables out there to be dealt with and that each one is at the discretion of the person who has the power. The system (parole) needs to be studied and revised. How is a good question.” eee lf Weber State College COMMENT