18 your Washington Vice President is a witness before a legislative hearing. It's the job of the Corporate Executive Officer, himself, to appear and testify and to make himself available on these issues. That's the big difference between the Roundtable and, let's say, a trade association where you tend to say, well, look, we've got a paid staff and the executive director ought to be the one that testifies for us. How, we think that we should be the ones, knowing the thing intimately as we do should go down and be willing to stick our necks out, if you will, and testify. CARR: And is there something, that the Roundtable evolved as a group or something that you particularly feel strong and is it something that you feel strongly about, yourself? JONES: The Roundtable was formed in 1972... CARR: Yes. JONES: ...in an effort to put business in a position where it could have its top level spokesmen available to Government and, yes, I feel quite strongly that it's a good move and that it's been helpful and I look at the fact that the leaders of labor and the leaders of special interest groups make themselves available in Washington and I think it behooves