76 (not clear). One thing I wondered and I very much appreciate your candor and your willingness to open doors, one of the things that ways you learn a great deal in talking to people, it's very time consuming, (not clear), to what extent do you sit in on actual(?) things that happen, (not clear) as a means of not so much getting information as getting a feel as to how you do things(?). JONES: Well, I don't know. I hadn't thought of that. CARR: Well, that's another, that's another, because people can tell you how they do things all day, sometimes you can sit for five minutes and observe something and get a better idea of, not always the substance of it, but that really doesn't matter... JONES: Right. CARR: ...so much as how(?). JONES: One of the big problems that we have, you know, we have a meeting of all the group executives and the Corporate Policy Committee every month, and one of the big problems we've got is that each group of executives gives all this highly proprietary material on his own profitability, his forecast for the year and market position