69 equipment in Japan, but it's possible some of that could be built under General Electric license, for example. CARR: But, I guess, does it have a specific or a more general effect? JONES: It's a more general effect. It's been interesting that since the Utah merger, for example, that Mitsubishi has been in to visit us and that we've had some of the Japanese steel people in to visit with us, that when I was in Japan last year, that I not only talked with the normal, let's say, business partners that we have in Japan, but also talked with the steel people. Also, I talked with the Government people, Meti(?), for example, and talked with them not only about our nuclear business there and other businesses there, but also about coal and iron and things of this sort. CARR: Well, some other analysts have said that Utah would help, would sort of in effect, represent an offset for earnings growth that you possibly might not have for some years in the electrical utilities market. Is there anything? Does that sound, this sounds more like an analysis after the fact rather than a motive... JONES: Yeah, yeah.