27 CARR: Has that yet spilled over into the very practical field of negotiating contracts? JONES: No, because we don't involve ourselves in that field and the reason why we support the collective bargaining system as a principle, we feel that negotiations are best left to the parties more directly involved. CARR: These are broader, public... JONES: That's right. CARR: Well, for this to be current and have all this (not clear) you must have people here you must have for example, backup or something. JONES: Well, I've said that we're blessed with some of the best staff people in the world in this Company and, you see, in a company that is as diverse and complex as this, we do have to have staff expertise in a great number of areas so that when, for example, the labor/management group decides it wants to take a look at a given issue I've got somebody in this organization that's been concerned with that issue and can, therefore, put together for me some analytical material that helps me form a judgment and I can go back to and say, now, look, I've looked this over but it's left these questions and would you get this information to help me and