39 industrial leasing, into insurance, it's got a couple of insurance companies attached to it. Why? These are tremendous opportunities, the field of financial services we see as a great opportunity for the General Electric family. Not in support of this central core business of electrical equipment manufacturing, but rather to make money in its own right and to be of service to the customers in its own right. This is what I mean by the change in strategy and it's a very conscious change from the General Electric Company that we had for so many years to the General Electric Company that we envision in the future. I hope that when you look at some of these specifics when you get into your interviews that we can lift the veil of skepticism, but I can understand your question, too. CARR: It may be more puzzlement than skepticism. JONES: Sure. CARR: Well, does this mean that 60 percent of your earnings comes from electrical equipment and related things and that the rest comes from services and new materials that are not directly related to your traditional lines? JONES: Well, I think we gave the Security Analysts a figure of 40 percent coming from these areas.