62 diversification. Now, you see those same risks when you put them within the context of the total General Electric Company are entirely different in the order of magnitude than they are when they're standing just there within Utah International. CARR: I was going to ask you about that, but you're anticipating me very well. Well, was this conversation at GE's offices or just, you know, where, was it I'm just trying to get some human... JONES: No, we were just having a conversation, I guess it was probably in the Waldorf Astoria Hotel. I always make a practice of staying in town on the night before a Board meeting because I go over to the General Electric Building before seven o'clock in the morning to get all my papers together and we have to see if we have dinner with the out-of-town members of the Board the night before. They come into the City and they're at loose ends for dinner, so I generally ask them if they'd like to have dinner with us, Jack Parker and Dave Dance, our Vice Chairmen, and I, just host whatever Directors are in that night and, because I'm there that night, I can get up and get into the office quite early because, you see, our Management Development